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5/11/95 9:50:26 PM Opening ╥Chat Log 5/11/95╙ for recording.
Mentzer : B. Jordan, of, stl
TRADEBAIT : Round: 5 CDG3rd
H David F : clayton ss sf
Sk8Cols : Welcome to the Figure Skating Forum
Cgh3rd : Caminiti, Ken 3B SD
TRADEBAIT : Wait until I call your name
Sk8Cols : Figure Skating has this room booked at 10pm
TRADEBAIT : Just a sec. I have to check something
TRADEBAIT : Round: 5 RobertG708
RobertG708 : Scott Cooper, Cards 3b
TRADEBAIT : Round: 5 H David f
H David F : clayton ss sf
TRADEBAIT : Round: 5 Alavh
Alavh : Bonilla Ny if he is still availible
CarrieJZ : Wasn't Clayton already picked?
TRADEBAIT : No
TRADEBAIT : he went out of turn
H David F : mea xulpa i hit the wrong button
TRADEBAIT : Bonilla is gone
TRADEBAIT : Pick
Alavh : I am sorry I got cut off! Is Zielle still there?
TRADEBAIT : yes
TRADEBAIT : Do you want him
Alavh : Yes
Sk8Cols : Welcome to the Figure Skating Forum
TRADEBAIT : Round: 5 LMJARL
Sk8Cols : Please suspend the fantasy league - we have this room
at 10pm
LMJARL : morris 1b cin
TRADEBAIT : No you don't
Sk8Cols : yes we do, every thursday
TRADEBAIT : Round: 5 PhilSchaef
PhilSchaef : Heathcliff Slocumb P PHI
TRADEBAIT : Round: 5 BLavaty
TRADEBAIT : After this we'll take a 2 minute break
Blavaty2 : Javier Lopez, C, atl
TRADEBAIT : Break. we have a room problem ---- maybe
TW Mowry : Hello, what is the topic tonight?
TRADEBAIT : I'll be right back
Sk8Cols : yes, we do - who do we call
Sk8Cols : Welcome to the Figure Skating Forum - the room is
already in use
TRADEBAIT : Talk to me using IM
RhoBear : Maybe if we actually talk skating, people will get
the hint!
JoAnneSK8 : Hi, folks. I thought the topic was Adult Nationals
and adult skating.
Cgh3rd : Anybody got a club?
Cgh3rd : You know that figure skating really isn't a sport.<G>
H David F : nicks by 8 in the third
JoAnneSK8 : Skating Club or billy?
Cgh3rd : billy.
Mentzer : chi - 2 tor - 1
Cgh3rd : You gotta have a ball to be a sport.<BG>
Mentzer : 10 to go in the 3rd
Blavaty2 : Carrie, know where Bartlett is?
Mentzer : (or a puck)
CarrieJZ : Heard of it!
H David F : whos gaaaaghing now
Blavaty2 : next to Elgin
JoAnneSK8 : Hey guys, come on. We skaters don't go into the
baseball topic and make cracks about overpaid boys.
RobertG708 : bartlett, il
TW Mowry : Who is supposed to be the host tonight in the skating
forum?
Cgh3rd : yeah, a puck is a Canadian ball.<G>
Blavaty2 : yep, IL
Cgh3rd : Tonya?
RobertG708 : I'm your neighbor, Lombard
RhoBear : I think that sk8cols is hosting
Mentzer : or Jeff "stone"
Blavaty2 : I'm at U of I now, my roommate is from Lombard!
CarrieJZ : I DO know where Lombard is <G>
JoAnneSK8 : Can we get on topic or should I leave and come back
later?
RhoBear : I'm with you Jo
RobertG708 : go illini, though its been afew years
TW Mowry : Me too!
Cgh3rd : You have to wonder about a "sport" that includes
artistic integrity in the scoring.
Blavaty2 : no kiddin'
Sk8Cols : help - we have a room problem
Mentzer : Try a private room
JoAnneSK8 : Okay. Did anybody else go to Adult Nationals besides
me?
Sk8Cols : yes
Blavaty2 : no
RhoBear : Yes, Actually, I think it should be easy enough to
read between the lines.
JoAnneSK8 : Which events?
Sk8Cols : Adult bronze ladies fs I-=C and interp
LMJARL : where's tradebait at
TW Mowry : Well skaters and fans I wish you luck with the room
tonight but I can't offer anything for adult
CarrieJZ : Hopefully looking for a room!
JACKJR : Hi, whats the topic tonight?
TW Mowry : nationals so I will go.
JoAnneSK8 : Great. I was Bronze figures and Silver Ladies free
II A. What was your interp?
Cgh3rd : You didn't actually pay to watch skating did you?<G>
Joe Niner : HOW 'BOUT THEM GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
TRADEBAIT : Guys we still have problem but will carry on.
CarrieJZ : Hey, League L... be nice, ok?
TRADEBAIT : Round: 6 BLavaty
Sk8Cols : Adult Nationals and Adult competing
TRADEBAIT : 6th Round
Blavaty2 : John Burkett,P , fla.
TRADEBAIT : Sk8col contact Sideline NOW!!!!!
TRADEBAIT : She's online
JACKJR : Anyone download the Filemaker Pro Fantasy football
league file uploaded by DsrtDreams?
TRADEBAIT : Round: 6 PhilSchaef
PhilSchaef : Ray Lankford P STL:
SS8TOR : is this the skating forum?
JoAnneSK8 : It's supposed to be.
RhoBear : A few of us think it is.
TRADEBAIT : Round: 6 LMJARL
LMJARL : brantley p cin
Blavaty2 : isn't Lankford an OF?
Joe Niner : yES
PhilSchaef : Yes, sorry
Guide SAK : Hello everyone! How's it going? :)
Sideline : Hello
SS8TOR : Every adult from Fairfax had a wonderful time at
adult nationals
Sideline : I am general administrator of the Grandstand
Sideline : We have a GFBL draft scheduled here tonight
TRADEBAIT : Sideline, there seems to be a room assignment
conflict
Sideline : Our online coordinator should have advised any chats
that this room would be occupied
TRADEBAIT : Ice Skating and baseball
Sideline : I sure there is
TRADEBAIT : sounds like a commercial
Sk8Cols : We are scheduled every thursday 10-12
Sideline : This is a seasonal occurrance
SS8TOR : maybe we can educate each other!!!!!!
Mentzer : Chelios just scored (short handed) 3-1 hawks
Sideline : and we use our own rooms for the GFBNL drafts
Sk8Cols : if you look at the schedule
Sideline : GFBL
Cgh3rd : it alreay happened with Tonya and Nancy!
Sk8Cols : Suggestions - we are both losing people!
Sideline : I realize that you are scheduled and you should have
been informed by Peckster
Sideline : that this room would be occupied for a GFBL draft
JoAnneSK8 : The schedule says skating 10 to 12. If that's not
going to happen, I'd like to know now.
Sideline : A GFBL draft takes 3 and 1/2 hours usually
DeniseAnne : what is going on?
Sideline : If you will read what I am saying, you will see the
answer
Sideline : Our GFBL draft only are scheduled for 3 weeks of the
year
Sideline : I am sorry that you have been inconvenienced
Mentzer : Who just squeezed my butt
Sk8Cols : that is fine but we have a timely topic and a lot of
people who have bothered to gather
Sideline : but I will not move a GFBL draft that takes 3 hours
to complete
LMJARL : beavis
Sideline : It was an error that you were not notified
Cherie CHS : One group can go to a private room. The other group
left will please advise newcomers where to go
SS8TOR : Have a great chat.Talk to the skaters next
week,(formally Joak1)
Sideline : Please move for this week
JoAnneSK8 : Can I get credit for the time that's been lost due to
the mix-up?
Sideline : I am sorry that you have been inconvenienced, but I
will not move a draft
Cgh3rd : Ruffin, Bruce P COL
TRADEBAIT : Round: 6 Mentzer
Cherie CHS : Well, we've already complained to you. A lot of good
that did.
Sk8Cols : skaters please go to skating forum private room in
the people connection
TRADEBAIT : pick???????????
Mentzer : Q. Veras, 2b, fla
TRADEBAIT : Round: 6 CarrieJZ
CarrieJZ : Jones, P, Hou
TRADEBAIT : Round: 6 Alirange
Cherie CHS : Brenda, go to skating forum private room in the
people connection
TRADEBAIT : PICK????????
ALirange : Deshields, 2B,la
BrendaW660 : OK
TRADEBAIT : yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sports Fan : Skating folks, please move to the Clubhouse for this
week only
TRADEBAIT : Round: 6 Joe Niner
Sk8Cols : skaters to the clubhouse
LesleighA : How sports fan?
Joe Niner : grace, 1b, cubs
Sk8Cols : sorry for the confusion draft picks
TRADEBAIT : Round: 7 Joe Niner
Sports Fan : Lesleight, keyword SPORTS ROOMS and then select
CLUBHOUSE
TRADEBAIT : ROUND 7
Sports Fan : We're sorry about the inconvenience
LesleighA : thanks
Joe Niner : avery, p, atl
TRADEBAIT : Round: 7 Alirange
ALirange : Smoltz,P,ATL
TRADEBAIT : Round: 7 CarrieJZ
CarrieJZ : Santiago, C, Cin
LesleighA : is this the skating forum?
Sk8Cols : welcome finally to the skating forum
MargeR1 : Sorry, this has never happened before.....
LesleighA : great. was there a double booking in the press box
tonight?
SBrackin : I don't know about anyone else, but Steve Case is
definitely getting mail frim me.
Sk8Cols : please help IM everyone else
Sk8Cols : I am ready to cry
MargeR1 : apparently somebody goofed with the baseball
schedule.....
Rkhoyle : It's not your fault
Sk8Cols : Welcome to the figure skating forum - adult nationals
and adults competing
Dance Edge : Do we get any credit for a lost half hour?
Sk8Cols : I am going to try to
MargeR1 : don't worry I'll spend my time checking the press
box for late arrivals.....
Sk8Cols : thanks marge
MargeR1 : somebody please run a log tonight?
Sk8Cols : Who all has competed as an adult? (I am logging)
BrendaW660 : I found you all! Now to inform the others ...
Sk8Cols : please raise your hand and say where you are from too
Dance Edge : I am not complaining, I just wondered.
Sk8Cols : understand
Sk8Cols : I compete (Columbus, Ohio)
Rkhoyle : I have not competed as an adult but my name is Rhonda
and I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan
Sk8Cols : any interest in competing? If you haven't, why not
Rkhoyle : I am a very basic skater. It's just become popular
in my area. New arenas opening up..
SBrackin : I don't compete because I've never skated. I enjoy
watching the sport, though.
Sk8Cols : great - encourage local basic skills competitions to
add adult events
Sk8Cols : does anyone else know adults who skate/compete?
SBrackin : SK8 - at what level do you compete?
Sk8Cols : low - h a ha adult bronze
Sk8Cols : no flip or loop jump yet even
Sk8Cols : I tried to get people on the skating list and
rec.skate who are also on AOl to join us
Sk8Cols : Wilmington just hosted the first ever adult nationals
SBrackin : Have the Adult nationals taken place in Delaware yet?
Sk8Cols : yes - two weeks ago
Sk8Cols : No word yet on site for next year
Sk8Cols : Joanne was there, me too, and several others
Sk8Cols : over 400 skaters in 600 events
MargeR1 : The head of the forums will be sending any skating
fans over here so we should be fine...
Sk8Cols : ages 25 to over 60
Sk8Cols : thanks
Sk8Cols : we lost morry i think
Rkhoyle : Did the adult skaters feel they got the recognition
they deserved?
Sk8Cols : and joanne
MargeR1 : Sports fan sends his apologies that someone didn't
get the email and pass the word along....
Sk8Cols : yes, the event was well run and had all natl level
judges
BrendaW660 : What's the deal?
SBrackin : So how did you all do in the competition?
MargeR1 : He will check on what happened.... all should be
okay.....
BrendaW660 : I sent him an IM wanting to know why we were booted
out of our regularly scheduled room.
BrendaW660 : He didn't answer.
Sk8Cols : I was 12th out of 14
Sk8Cols : skated well
Sk8Cols : issues include having adults qualify rather than
having an open event
Rkhoyle : Was there a wide range in the talent of the
competitors?
Sk8Cols : yes - too wide
Sk8Cols : everything from old old people with no jumps really
Sk8Cols : to people with double axels and double lutzes
Rkhoyle : So qualifying would help to "weed out" some of this?
Sk8Cols : the dance and pair teams were great
Sk8Cols : it would weed me out!
Sk8Cols : I think cutting from 400 down to 40 or so would be
harsh
Sk8Cols : also many adults cant afford to compete in regionals,
then sectionals, and then nationals
Sk8Cols : between work, family, coaches
LeeAnn 1 : Hi Everyone.
Sk8Cols : Phyllis Howard of USFSA suggested an alternative
BrendaW660 : Hi, Lee. What happened to our room?
Sk8Cols : ie splitting into half qualifying and half open
Sk8Cols : LeeAnn - i am still ready to cry
Sk8Cols : I didn't know what to do
MorryS : No one told me that there was a fight group in the
press box
Sk8Cols : i know the word guidepager but forgot how to do it
BrendaW660 : We were all in the dark, Morry
MargeR1 : I guess the best thing to do is just continue the
figure skating forum here since sportsfan
MorryS : Does this happen often
MargeR1 : and sideline both asked us to change locations....
Sk8Cols : Still asking who has competed or interested in
competing
MargeR1 : never has to us before
MargeR1 : There was supposed to be an email sent out..... Ken
will check on where the mistake in
MorryS : this dose not help my program
MargeR1 : communication happened.....
BrendaW660 : But why should WE move since WE were the regular
occupiers of the room? It just doesn't mak
BrendaW660 : sense
Sk8Cols : anyway, lets continue
MorryS : continue what?
Sk8Cols : Ideas? Suggestions for adult natls?
MargeR1 : I know but they were in the middle of their draft so
they asked us to move.... sorry....
Sk8Cols : impressions of adult nationals?
Sk8Cols : Morry? What did you think overall?
MorryS : As a Judge I loved it
Sk8Cols : we were honored to have national judges
MorryS : Interpretive needs work however.
Sk8Cols : and Wilmington did a great job
Sk8Cols : the interp groups were too broad
Sk8Cols : needed some test level breaks
MorryS : It is impossible to judge Striesand music against
comedy
Sk8Cols : ome confustion too about props/costumes as props
MorryS : There were no props
Rkhoyle : Striesand vs comedy - was that interpretive?
MorryS : yes both were
Sk8Cols : no props allowed, but several costumes used as props
MorryS : How do you arrive at that?
Sk8Cols : taking things off
Sk8Cols : the old Duchesnay/OSP feather boa type thing
MorryS : That is not a prop unless it deposited on the ice
Sk8Cols : well, it was
Sk8Cols : anyway, the skater had never thought about it
Sk8Cols : also calling it interp instead of artistic was
confusing
MorryS : There should have been a deduction if left on the ice
Sk8Cols : any word on site for next year?
MorryS : What do you consider the difference between the two?
Sk8Cols : interp is the ISIA event where you all skate to the
same music
Sk8Cols : many nonqual usfsa comps have it too
Sk8Cols : everyone hears the music for the first time at the
event
MorryS : Ok, that is the same system we in LA have used for 30
years
Sk8Cols : What does anyone think about adults qualifying via
regionals?
MorryS : We divide artistic into light entertainment,
dramatic, and comedy
Dance Edge : How was the quality as a whole, for the 22 dance
teams in Seniors?
Sk8Cols : yes, that makes sense
Sk8Cols : top dance teams in seniors were ok
Sk8Cols : some less than great compulsories
MorryS : Don't think qualifying will work because there are
too many divisions
Sk8Cols : Phyllis Howard suggested having jr and sr qualify and
then everyone else be open events
MorryS : The winner of the Mens' event was very good
Sk8Cols : too late for anything for next year in terms of the
rulebook
Sk8Cols : I thought the top three pair teams were great
MorryS : The Adult National will remain under the Program
Developement Comm
Sk8Cols : who is our best contact?
MorryS : Phyllis Howard or Reha Swartz
SBrackin : At what level of expertise is a person disqualified
at Adult nationals?
MorryS : No one is disqualified
Sk8Cols : none - they had masters events for those who were too
high for other events
SBrackin : Ineligible, I should have said
MorryS : The events are open only to elegible skaters
Sk8Cols : adult test structure and comp structure need to be
put in sync
Sk8Cols : adult bronze time limit was 1.30 when the test allows
for a 2 minute program
Sk8Cols : adult silver test has no axel but the adult silver
event was allowed to do an axel
MorryS : The time was to accomodate ISIA skaters and their
programs
Sk8Cols : good first attempt though - don't mean to sound so
critical
Sk8Cols : it didn't - ISIA 4's have 2 minute programs and most
of the bronzes (not me) were at least a 4
Dance Edge : I do know there was quite a range in test level in
Senior Dance.
MorryS : Yes I answered it.
Sk8Cols : plus all of the adult juniors (per the rulebook) have
2 minute programs
Sk8Cols : how were the figures?
MorryS : We tried to accomodate the largest number of skaters
possible.
SBrackin : Was the USFSA surprised at the turnout? Was it
larger than they expected?
MorryS : The event I judged had very good figures
Sk8Cols : I heard they had originally planned for about 100
skaters
MorryS : 3 times as large a origionlly planned
Sk8Cols : super job and great communication between entry
deadline and event
SBrackin : Were hotel accomodations a problem? Where did people
stay?
Sk8Cols : several diff hotels, prices fine,
Sk8Cols : rink had a great space for trade show
Sk8Cols : club next door used for seminars and meetings
Sk8Cols : volunteers directing traffic
MorryS : Got to go and get ready for the May meeting in
Phoenix. E mail if you want to pass on anyth
Sk8Cols : thanks Morry! We want an open adult natls !
Sk8Cols : (us weak people that is)
Sk8Cols : Others who have joined us - welcome and sorry for the
trouble finding us
Sk8Cols : welcome to the figure skating forum
BRPOWERS : Testing
Sk8Cols : any regionals competitors here?
Sk8Cols : any adult skaters?
JElway345 : Isnt this room gonna be used for a fantasy draft in
about a minute or so?
Sk8Cols : i hope not -we just got moved from a room where that
was going on
JElway345 : i dont know but we all had the time set up a while
ago, i think
BRPOWERS : Yep, Fantasy draft in 2 minutes
Bruce1971 : I am here for the draft
JElway345 : draft!!
Omar456 : So am I
TorresJ : where do we go national league t
MargeR1 : I just imed sportsfan for help
BigForkinT : Hello everybody!
Sk8Cols : skaters - we will sort this out later - see you lnext
week
Cherie CHS : I just finally got here! I am gonna compain big time
to someone!
Sk8Cols : Drafters - sideline and sportsfan put us here
CsonTicket : Sk8Cols - this is probably the last week it will
happen...hopefully
BrendaW660 : Geez, this is ridiculous.
BrendaW660 : We have this room!
TorresJ : i didn't know we had to lace up our skates for this
draft
Sk8Cols : I am out of time and patience, so I suggest we
regroup and continue at the end of next weeks forum
BrendaW660 : LOL, Torres
Sky Tomato : Hi there everyone. Is everyone here for the gfbl NL
draft
BRPOWERS : yep
Bruce1971 : Lets skate and draft girls!
Plagiarism : I am
DBeck1 : Si
Sk8Cols : goodnight skaters
JElway345 : we are her
Omar456 : Me too
JElway345 : e
LeeAnn 1 : Cherie - I have already sent off some ntoes asking
about the room switch and I'll let you know what
LeeAnn 1 : I hear.
BigForkinT : I'm here
CsonTicket : Sky, what is going on?
MJFITZO : I'm here to draft
BRPOWERS : I here we have 11 now
Cherie CHS : Thanks, LeeAnn. Appreciate that.
BrendaW660 : Please, because we're due to have our forum until 12.
JeffT55 : Here to draft
BRPOWERS : yep
LeeAnn 1 : If you're looking for the draft. Try the Press Box.
BRPOWERS : draft is here tonight
CsonTicket : Drafters, until we sort this out, please leave the
skaters to their thing.
BrendaW660 : No, we were moved here from the Press Box.
LeeAnn 1 : No, I believe the rooms have been changed. Go and
check in the Press Box.
JElway345 : say what Ticket?
TorresJ : okay i have my skates now i'm ready top draft
MargeR1 : Sports fan just imed me that skating fans should stay
put here...
Cherie CHS : You know, baseball on skates MIGHT be interesting <g>
MargeR1 : so please continue for now.....
MargeR1 : Hi Sideline!
JElway345 : so where do the drafters go?
LeeAnn 1 : The Press Box.
BigForkinT : Can we get this thing going :|
JElway345 : press box then guys?
BRPOWERS : I'll check
LeeAnn 1 : I'm sorry for the confusion, to both the skaters and
the drafters, but apparently no one was told
LeeAnn 1 : about teh room change.
BRPOWERS : nope
JElway345 : whats the verdict?
LeeAnn 1 : The figure skating group is meeting in here.
BRPOWERS : another draft is going on there
LeeAnn 1 : The drafters should try the press box.
Cherie CHS : A different draft?
BRPOWERS : already did, wrong draft
JElway345 : apparently he did
BigForkinT : All you skaters need to know is that Tanya did it!
CsonTicket : Drafters, LISTEN UP. Leave the skaters to do their
chat. Failure to do so will bring
CsonTicket : the wrath of Sideline and company.
BRPOWERS : Uncle Jerry, What's up?
Sk8Cols : Welcome to the figure skating form
JElway345 : so Ticket, where do we go then?
CsonTicket : As previous anounced, hold tight.
CsonTicket : that should be announced.
LeeAnn 1 : Which draft are you looking for?
Sk8Cols : skaters respond if you are here
Cherie CHS : Can you all make a private room? We promise to send
people over there if you tell us the name
BrendaW660 : yes, we're here, Sk8Cols.
MargeR1 : still here,Mary
Cherie CHS : Skater here (:
Sk8Cols : the few, the proud, the adults
Bruce1971 : Where's Tonya and Nancy?
Sk8Cols : argggggg
Sky Tomato : ONE announcement for the GFBL Drafters...
CsonTicket : Cherie, currently we have like about 3-4 drafts going
on.
Sky Tomato : Please move to the room SQUARED CIRCLE
CsonTicket : For those for NL T, listen to Sky Tomato.
UncleJerry : Ok we are missing scout E ANYONE KNOW THEM?
LeeAnn 1 : Thank you Sky Tomato.
JElway345 : lets go guys, the circle it is
UncleJerry : WHO WAS IN THIS DRAFT THAT SIDELINE NEVER TOLD ME
ABOUT?
Sk8Cols : thanks for your patience - we had thsame problem
Sk8Cols : with double booking
Cherie CHS : Thanks (: We'll send others to you when they show
up. You're really being great about this
Omar456 : Off to the circle we go
CsonTicket : Sk8, sorry for the mess up. Kinda hard when you are
doing 5-10 drafts / night for 2 weeks.
Sk8Cols : Welcome to what is left of the figure skating forum
LeeAnn 1 : Thank you everyone for being patient.
BrendaW660 : I suggest we ALL request free time for that which we
have missed due to scheduling
BrendaW660 : errors.
Sk8Cols : agree
BrendaW660 : Fair enough, don't you think?
Sk8Cols : Anyway, who would compete next year if they could?
BigForkinT :